Re: Top 12
Posted: January 10th, 2013, 2:08 pm
Perry,
So where would u draft him? At 5/6? Over Kemp, Cargo, Pujols, Votto, Fielder?
So where would u draft him? At 5/6? Over Kemp, Cargo, Pujols, Votto, Fielder?
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Interesting question ...Black Sox wrote:Perry,
So where would u draft him? At 5/6? Over Kemp, Cargo, Pujols, Votto, Fielder?
I am worried he misses time, hamstrings are tricky things. I'm worried the SB drop as a means of trying to stay healthy, but I'd still roll the dice with him over McCutchen. I probably start debating it at 9/10 with Fielder.Captain Hook wrote:Interesting question ...Black Sox wrote:Perry,
So where would u draft him? At 5/6? Over Kemp, Cargo, Pujols, Votto, Fielder?
Is Rihanna in the picture? Are you worried about Kemp missing time this year? Is this the safe pick or boom/bust pick?
At 1.05 personally I would take McCutchen over Kemp ... but it's close and certainly Kemp is the pick for greater upside but lower floor
I actually think we agree. I think it's more of a glass 1/2 full vs 1/2 empty way of looking at it. You see lot's of talent evenly matched and I bemoan the lack of truly elite talent.Captain Hook wrote:Well we have to agree to disagree - frankly the first tier talent level is so deep that I understand those who if they can't get a Top 3 or Top 4 pick wanting to draft from the last spot and have first pick in the 2nd and all even rounds
Longoria has never produced first round numbers, though...are you expecting growth? He, to me, is one of those guys who gets drafted somewhat higher than he should because of perceived value. Not that he's a terrible pick by any means...Captain Hook wrote:I have sympathy for your stance on Longoria although if he stays healthy for a whole year he would produce first round numbers but you might be the only one I know of who wouldn't take McCutchen in the first - typically he is going at 1.05 or 1.06 in money league drafts. Why are you down on him?
While I'm still not taking him in the 1st round the argument for it does include something I think is true. Longoria is not someone who misses a game here or there or is constantly day to day. Most of the time when he's out he's out which allows you to replace him in the line up. When he plays he gives you elite numbers. So if you draft a competent back up you can mitigate the risk. Strategy also should be based on your size league, deeper the league harder it is to be able to allocate resources to backing up another player.2004 Champs wrote:Longoria has never produced first round numbers, though...are you expecting growth? He, to me, is one of those guys who gets drafted somewhat higher than he should because of perceived value. Not that he's a terrible pick by any means...Captain Hook wrote:I have sympathy for your stance on Longoria although if he stays healthy for a whole year he would produce first round numbers but you might be the only one I know of who wouldn't take McCutchen in the first - typically he is going at 1.05 or 1.06 in money league drafts. Why are you down on him?
Even with a healthy knee, Votto's power is capped as he does not hit many fly balls and relies on a high HR/FB.lewp wrote:One thing that stands out to me as you look at this top-12, and as I read comments about it being a crap-shoot after the first 4, is Votto. He's down at number 10 and number 3 among 1Bers on this list. Whereas I've seen him as the number 1 1B and as high as 4-5 (although more often around 7) elsewhere. Generally lists I've seen have Votto and Pujols interchangeable around 6 and 7.
Is he being undervalued here? The strong spring would seem to indicate no lingering concern with the miniscus. (Maybe that's it, this was a pre-spring post?)
Thoughts? Thanks.
For the record, he's been on the field but not 100% healthy. Not saying he would have been a first rounder - just pointing out he's been playing hurt.2004 Champs wrote:Just a follow-up on the Longoria discussion: he's been healthy all year, and he's just nowhere close to top 10 value.
Moral of the story: expecting veterans to perform at a higher level than they have before is not a great bet! Of course, neither is Matt Kemp...so you can lose in the first round in a number of ways.