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Have to disagree on Crow - I saw him pitch in college and he was Very Good
have seen him pitch bullpens in the spring and he has enough to succeed IF - but he is also a good relief pitcher so unless he really Wants to start it will be up to Royals and he will be back in the pen

Not sure on Dickey but agree I would try and do that with Starling instead of Myers of Starling plus P, or one of their good MI prospects plus P ..... so I wouldn't trade Myers to get him BUT I would make a strong offer

CubFan wrote:

da_big_kid_94 wrote:Right now, Myers is probably at maximum value - because he's purely speculative. Too many can't misses missed (Pie , Corey Patterson, Loewen, Rowell, Andy Marte, Lars Anderson, Drabek ...you get the point). I don't want Lester at any discount right now. Sheilds? Maybe ...but I think there's better to be had. As for opening up the wallet? The fact they are looking to dump both Hochevar (arb eligible) and Chen (4.5M) to free up salary speaks volumes - signing Guthrie to a back loaded deal isn't indicative of a willingness to spend either.

I'd want Hellickson - but I'd want Moore or Mc Gee in the deal as well. Or ...I'd turn around and offer him to the Giants for Bumgartner and see the response there.

Did I read that right....you're saying Myers for Hellickson PLUS Moore or McGee?

Hadn't thought about the NL but I like the idea of trading for Bumgartner. Team friendly contract and signed through 2015 with team options thereafter. SF is more of a pitcher's park than KC so his numbers likely to inflate, especially since many guys coming over from the NL initially struggle.

Just read an article tonight in the KC Star that said KC offered a $26 million/2 year deal to Dempster http://www.kansascity.com/2012/11/29/39 ... rylink=cpy Interesting. Glass saying their break even point is around a payroll of $70 million is totally garbage. Unless he is paying himself and son Dan an annual salary of $10 mil/yr and putting it under "team payroll" they should have around an additional $15-20 mil to spend this year (taken from recent Rany Jazayerli, Jeff Passen, and Sam Mellinger columns within the past few days. Also listened in on an interview with a guy from Baseball Prospectus who believes the Royals have the money to get another FA pitcher and still make a profit.)

That you did, matey. I wouldn't bark if they wanted to make it Alex Cobb instead ... but Tampa's behind the 8 ball. They don't have a consistent OF bat and they just lost the over rated B.J. Upton. Desmond Jennings, Matt Joyce, Sam Fuld and Rich Thompson? Myers becomes their version of Bryce Harper with a ready made job waiting. They need Myers more than KC needs Hellickson, So I don't see why they shouldn't be encouraged to sweeten the deal. Same thing goes with SF - both of these teams have pitching right now and need at least one OF.

Hoooookay ...er ....Mr. Moore, sir? There is a difference between shopping and giving away. The THREE of them? Guess you better make the playoffs by next year, eh?

Gag, puke, scream!!! Dayton what were you thinking ? Actually I have a pretty good idea of what DM was thinking......it's sink or swim time. He knows his job is on the line so he might as well take a shot now when Myers' value is his highest (agree with big_kid on that). Moore is now on the clock. Glass has approved a team budget of $80 mil. If KC doesn't make the playoffs within this 2 year-window (how long they'll have Shields for) Moore is gone. I also won't be surprised if come the AS break and KC is sinking that Glass instructs Moore to trade Shields. I doubt Glass will want to lose money if they won't contend.

KC needed pitching and they have not done a good job of developing their own talent, thus the need to trade for it (Glass doesn't want to pay up for Sanchez). TB has shown they know how to find and develop young pitchers. I won't be surprised if both Ordorizi and Montgomery thrive. Not overly surprised both of them were packaged as they have Duffy, Paulino, Lamb, Zimmer and Ventura that they are more high on.

KC plans on putting Moore into the rotation. I think that is a mistake. He thrived when placed in relief as his K-rate shot through the roof. Not a big fan of Davis as a SP since he has not shown to be a swing and miss guy. Plus KC is not known for developing pitchers. Thinking his ERA will be north of 4.50 and WHIP around 1.4, pretty much a #4/#5 SP. KC's staff is slightly above league average and they have a chance for a winning record for 2013.

Myers will likely start out in AAA as TB has supposedly never started a rookie on opening day. But I think he'll be up in May. Since his K-rate is a bit high he'll probably struggle initially. If he gets 400 ABs I can see him hitting 15-20 HRs with a .260 BA. While prospects are just that I don't think he'll be another Brandon Wood. I think he can be a 25HR hitter with a .280-290 average.

Tic-Toc.....Dayton, remember you're on the clock.

FWIW....Royals fans posting on the KCStar article http://www.kansascity.com/2012/12/10/39 ... -from.html are unhappy with this trade. Initially it was outrage but recent posters have been more positive. Guess they drank too much Moore's koolaid.

I have commented a few places on the trade. It's not that I don't like Shields or Davis - I think they ARE good additions to the Royals pitching staff .............. BUT it's not like those two are making the rotation even the best in their division when they are adding to Ervin Santana coming off another bad year and Jeremy Guthrie who while he might have pitched well in KC last year pitched poorly elsewhere and is definitely not a sure thing.

But Dayton Moore and his job are ALL IN on making the playoffs in 2013 or 2014 or this trade will look like the poop we think it is.

My take is we are once again falling in love with a completely unproven prospect.

What if this were two years ago, and instead of Myers it was Brandon Belt that was traded?

There would have been similar outrage.

Now, two years later, it would have proven to be unwarranted.

Myers and Belt profile very similarly -- minor league BABIP monsters that need to make better contact or they are .260 guys with pop.

If it were just Myers, I would love this deal for KC ...but it's not just Myers. You put Montgomery and Odorizzi in it too? You should be getting back a pitcher you should have more than two years control over. Wade Davis has good stuff ...but so far it's only proven to have a shelf life of no more than 5 innings max. You don't win by 2014? Shields will leave town if he hasn't already by then and Davis may or may not have become a serviceable starter. Like I said before ...Tampa needs Myers more than KC needed Shields. But Moore let the Rays have their cake and eat it too.