Well, technically anabolic steroids are a federally controlled substance, so they are breaking those 'people' laws as well.da_big_kid_94 wrote:I disagree .... players don't commit offenses such as DUI's - people do. Such offenses are not baseball related - we have laws to take care of those cases. Players that juice -that is affecting their job performance and is defrauding the paying public.capt2stu wrote:Happy to see it get overturned. Personally I could care less who is juicing, and there is no way to know who was and wasn't in the past. My son was a strength and conditioning coach several years ago for a AA team and said a lot on the team were - and more pitchers than hitters.
I am more concerned with other crimes players commit that effect moe than themselves. How about a DUI, ynk the penalty should be more than juicing.
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Sure there is....I don't need a lab test for me to know that Bonds, McGuire, Sosa, Caminiti and many many others were juicing. I just know. I don't care whether they are were or not....just that I care when the players outright lie about it...that's what's so entertaining at least for me.capt2stu wrote:Happy to see it get overturned. Personally I could care less who is juicing, and there is no way to know who was and wasn't in the past. My son was a strength and conditioning coach several years ago for a AA team and said a lot on the team were - and more pitchers than hitters.
I am more concerned with other crimes players commit that effect moe than themselves. How about a DUI, ynk the penalty should be more than juicing.
Stu
Regarding Ken Caminiti-
In a Sports Illustrated cover story in 2002, a year after his retirement, he admitted that he had used steroids during his 1996 MVP season, and for several seasons afterwards.[5] His admitted steroid abuse was discussed in the 2007 Mitchell Report on steroid abuse in baseball.[
-There you go, so, we do know.
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Get back to me when you hear about a DUI for steroid arrest. (Normally wouldn't respond but how often do I get to make a Leap Day post? )AllstonRockCity wrote:Well, technically anabolic steroids are a federally controlled substance, so they are breaking those 'people' laws as well.da_big_kid_94 wrote:I disagree .... players don't commit offenses such as DUI's - people do. Such offenses are not baseball related - we have laws to take care of those cases. Players that juice -that is affecting their job performance and is defrauding the paying public.capt2stu wrote:Happy to see it get overturned. Personally I could care less who is juicing, and there is no way to know who was and wasn't in the past. My son was a strength and conditioning coach several years ago for a AA team and said a lot on the team were - and more pitchers than hitters.
I am more concerned with other crimes players commit that effect moe than themselves. How about a DUI, ynk the penalty should be more than juicing.
Stu
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Ha! I like it.da_big_kid_94 wrote: Get back to me when you hear about a DUI for steroid arrest. (Normally wouldn't respond but how often do I get to make a Leap Day post? )
And a happy Leap Day to you as well.
But you just hit on, for me, what has been THE most overlooked and underreported aspect of this whole steroids thing that has been going on for almost a decade now. And that is, STEROIDS ARE ILLEGAL.
Other than the BALCO investigation itself, no one has been prosecuted on the actual drug charges. Since 1972 its been illegal for anabolic steroids to be used in this fashion and we know about all these people using them, but you never hear about the users or the suppliers being charged. I understand why MLB needs to have rules about steroids, but really they don't, because in reality there are already rules about them, they can be found in the Controlled Substances Act of 1972 (thanks Nixon). More people have been charged with perjury and obstruction of justice than have been charged with distributing/diverting/possessing.
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eeeeeehhhhhhhhh ......... could be.SteveB wrote:so bring back to the realm of fantasy ...IF he was juicing , IS he now? Does that affect anyones projections for him in 2012?
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So my real life analysis says, that by being the first guy to go he hopes a.) the other suspensions will sort of wash away his in the mix b.) the Brew Crew was done anyways why waste next year c.) His non-chalant not really apology is disturbing to me.
Seems so callous but I felt like he just sorta said, you caught me...I'll try and not get caught next time.
Oh well I'm AL only and a Jhonny Peralta owner, (who had a brutal game last night), so here's hoping the dagger hanging over his head doesn't throw him off too much.
What are everyone's thoughts on Colon/ Melky? Would they get re-suspended or do we think this is a separate and second incident?
Seems so callous but I felt like he just sorta said, you caught me...I'll try and not get caught next time.
Oh well I'm AL only and a Jhonny Peralta owner, (who had a brutal game last night), so here's hoping the dagger hanging over his head doesn't throw him off too much.
What are everyone's thoughts on Colon/ Melky? Would they get re-suspended or do we think this is a separate and second incident?
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They both have to be looking at a hundred plus. i think Braun works against any sort of appeal they can muster - especially when A-Rod's A-Bomb comes down. Logic says : "If we can suspend a former MVP and the highest paid player in the game, what does that say about your two futures?" And it'll will be interesting to see how many other players will the MLBPA walk away from.Trav The Ump wrote:So my real life analysis says, that by being the first guy to go he hopes a.) the other suspensions will sort of wash away his in the mix b.) the Brew Crew was done anyways why waste next year c.) His non-chalant not really apology is disturbing to me.
Seems so callous but I felt like he just sorta said, you caught me...I'll try and not get caught next time.
Oh well I'm AL only and a Jhonny Peralta owner, (who had a brutal game last night), so here's hoping the dagger hanging over his head doesn't throw him off too much.
What are everyone's thoughts on Colon/ Melky? Would they get re-suspended or do we think this is a separate and second incident?
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I tend to disagree because with Braun there *wasn't* a failed drug test - basically he negotiated the ROY suspension without having to admit anything. BUT with Colon and Melky they were suspended for 50 games last year and I think could certainly make the case that IF there was BioGenesis evidence against them it was for drugs that they had already been suspended for - and they are both old enough that they can't start over (again) and would likely appeal so they could at least play out the balance of this year.
But who really knows? We shall see
But who really knows? We shall see