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What makes a keeper to you keeper league players?

#1 Post by da_big_kid_94 » February 14th, 2017, 10:57 am

This idea is an adjunct to another thread. When it comes down to making your keeper list, what is your criterion? Is it roster need, salary cost, roster flexibility, past record of productivity, pure hunch, "throw him back and he'll go for more", cheap roster filler until then next uber prospect at his position gets called up after Super II day, personal preference, contributes in ways your other keepers currently don't?

I'm throwing this out there because there is a proposed deal in the aforementioned thread that makes no sense to me - it's a seemingly total no brainer and yet I can't see why one of the participants would propose it. So maybe I need to broaden my perspective and this may be a way of gathering some feed back.

As an example, I'm keeping Freddy Galvis at 3 units for 2017 with 2 years left on his contract - here's why;
  • 20 bombs in a hitter friendly park from a SS
  • I know about Crawford but he didn't have a bang up season in the minors last year and they may not rush him
  • If Crawford DOES make it up, I think Galvis has a better chance of being the Phillies version of Ben Zobrist than Cesar Hernandez and he may wind up as the regular 2B
  • He's a cheap MI with an upside, but he K's like the free swinging maniac he is - so at 3? he's a good bet. At 10? he goes back into the pool.
Is this a guarantee? nope ...but it's a demonstration as to what I value when determining need a keeper. If last year was his career year? I'm rearranging those titanic deck chairs. If it wasn't? The I've got a pretty good foundation piece.
These are my views based on my own opinions and observations - your mileage may vary.
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Re: What makes a keeper to you keeper league players?

#2 Post by special k » February 15th, 2017, 7:08 pm

It's probably a blend of all you mention, but No. 1 would probably be the elusive "value," especially relative to league. For instance, in my AL-only league, I can protect either Paxton or Kinsler for $5. Mastersball projects both at about $10 of value. Even if you folks hadn't recommended Paxton, I would have protected him anyway because this league spends more on SP than relief P.
But also I would look at roster balance - I traded a speed keeper for a more expensive power keeper not just because power is probably more predictable, but also my best keepers collectively were stronger in AVG and SB than HR and RBI. And the player I traded for had DH eligibility in the league (20 games), and it can be hard to find a decent DH at the auction.
Then there is injury risk, youth and upside (hello, Paxton), balanced with predictability, scarcity, what other teams are likely to protect, projected draft inflation.
But above all I like a good deal and the resulting flexibility at the auction.

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Re: What makes a keeper to you keeper league players?

#3 Post by CubFan » February 17th, 2017, 12:27 pm

Not necessarily in ranking order.....

1) salary cost vs expected production
2) overall protected team salary vs projected salaries of competitors
3) position scarcity wrt expected keepers from other teams
4) overall team construct
12 team AL only standard 5x5 H2H keeper league

C - Sanchez $4
1B/3B - Bird $1
2B/SS - Dozier $34, M. Gonzalez $1, Gregorius $9
OF - Trout $53, Mancini $9, Haniger $10, T. Hernandez $1
UT -
SP - Kluber $35, McHugh $3, Montgomery $5
RP - Brach $4, Treinen $1, Green $1,
Bench - Rodon $3, Nate Jones $1, Kipnis $12, Beckham $3

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Re: What makes a keeper to you keeper league players?

#4 Post by da_big_kid_94 » February 17th, 2017, 1:19 pm

Interesting stuff ...thanks for the insight, gents.
These are my views based on my own opinions and observations - your mileage may vary.
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Re: What makes a keeper to you keeper league players?

#5 Post by da_big_kid_94 » February 17th, 2017, 1:32 pm

special k wrote:It's probably a blend of all you mention, but No. 1 would probably be the elusive "value," especially relative to league. For instance, in my AL-only league, I can protect either Paxton or Kinsler for $5. Mastersball projects both at about $10 of value. Even if you folks hadn't recommended Paxton, I would have protected him anyway because this league spends more on SP than relief P.
But also I would look at roster balance - I traded a speed keeper for a more expensive power keeper not just because power is probably more predictable, but also my best keepers collectively were stronger in AVG and SB than HR and RBI. And the player I traded for had DH eligibility in the league (20 games), and it can be hard to find a decent DH at the auction.
Then there is injury risk, youth and upside (hello, Paxton), balanced with predictability, scarcity, what other teams are likely to protect, projected draft inflation.
But above all I like a good deal and the resulting flexibility at the auction.
Now this to me is an interesting viewpoint that I'd like to delve into a little further, if I might. And what I am about to write is no slight towards the fine fellows of Mastersball. This 10 unit value - this is a projection in a vacuum, is it not? This is an "all things being equal" value as I understand it. So, now you are presented with a $10 valuation - do you do anything to that valuation in accordance with your own circumstances before determining the rest of your roster makeup ?

Let's just say you leave it alone ...and the one you choose only produces $5 worth of relative value and you see that player falling short of expectations. Do you try to compensate for the loss, is it a "Let's wait and see" stance or is the basis for that $10 projection mostly biased (and i do not mean prejudiced) toward contributions you are already strong in (i.e. Kinsler? - do you look at the $10 as a whole or do you look at the Mastersball breakdown for each of the offensive categories to see what actually comprises that $10 projection)?

This has been quite enlightening for me so far. Thank you for taking the time.
These are my views based on my own opinions and observations - your mileage may vary.
"KNOW THY LEAGUE" - the Forum Funklord - 4/13/2009
"There is this incredible desire in the fantasy baseball/football/other world to create something out of nothing,
to produce insight where the simple will suffice, and that isn’t a good thing for everyone."
- Gary J blog 6/2/10

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