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Re: 2011 CVRC

#31 Post by Todd Zola »

Well, there is no such things as an "accurate" way of doing it. All we can really do is scale up linearly or non-linearly (I am sure there is a better word for it than that) but even then, it is just a mathematical treatment and not anything "scientific".

The non-linear scale up would give a disproportionate amount of available budget to the high end, which is what you say happens, and quite frankly what happens in all leagues.

I can "tweak" the CVRC into doing this and in fact have a primer somewhere that explains this. The new draft software will not do this in this iteration. The long term plans involve meshing the CVRC with the draft software.

How much of a rush are you in? I am still hammering through profiles, but should be able to focus on this in mid-February, as I am positive that others will share your desire to get "better" auction draft values to guide them.
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#32 Post by themather »

No rush at all. Draft isn't until mid-March, I've just gotten a head start on my baseball this year since I happen to be a bitter Patriots fan with nothing left to root for on a Sunday, which is sweet music to my fantasy baseball team!

Thanks for the insight ... it's much appreciated.

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#33 Post by dnm963 »

Todd, would it be possibe to add to the pitching side of CVRC, a page that splits out SP, RP or MR , CL with there $$ values, like it is done on the hitting side for POS Values? I think it would be helpful,kind of a cheatsheet for pitchers values at a glance. I know there might be crossover or a few guys that could go under a couple of different positions(RP & CL) but the bulk of the players would be under the proper spots.
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#34 Post by Todd Zola »

dnm963 wrote:Todd, would it be possibe to add to the pitching side of CVRC, a page that splits out SP, RP or MR , CL with there $$ values, like it is done on the hitting side for POS Values? I think it would be helpful,kind of a cheatsheet for pitchers values at a glance. I know there might be crossover or a few guys that could go under a couple of different positions(RP & CL) but the bulk of the players would be under the proper spots.
Later, probably later Feb and into March, I will be posting value tiers which will do exactly what you are asking. There will be updated once a week, with updated projections.

I would have to add another layer of programming to the present CVRC, and right now, profiles and finalizing the draft software are higher priorities.
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#35 Post by Andy »

Problem with hitting CVRC 020411

When I press "customize" and put in the number of players per position (1C, 1 1B, 1 2B etc.) the column to the right of that does not update the totals, meaning that the player pool figure is out of whack (says player pool of 13, requiring a pool size factor of -750).

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#36 Post by AllstonRockCity »

Andy wrote:Problem with hitting CVRC 020411

When I press "customize" and put in the number of players per position (1C, 1 1B, 1 2B etc.) the column to the right of that does not update the totals, meaning that the player pool figure is out of whack (says player pool of 13, requiring a pool size factor of -750).
The number of players per position, is referring to the whole league. you are telling the CVRC that you play in a 1 team league that starts 13 hitters, that's why it says the pool is 13.

For a 12 team league that starts 1 catcher, you would want to put a 12 in the catcher position, not a 1.

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#37 Post by viper »

It sounds like you are putting in a "1" rather than the league total. In a 10 team - 2 catcher league, the number you put in is 20. If you only require 1 catcher per team in a 10 team league, you would put in a "10".

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#38 Post by aburt19 »

There appears to be a couple of problems with the latest hitting CVRC. First on the players page Mike Napoli is listed
twice, once with Toronto and once with Texas. I customized with the exact same number that I had used on the
previous CVRC. That included changing the batting average to .253 from the number that was shown for a 10 team
league. For some reason, when I calculated the values of players, it put a negative 11.88 in the batting average
column for Carl Crawford. Since his batting average is listed at .305, that can't be correct. That's the one that really
stuck out, but since Shin Soo Choo and Mark Teixeira were listed as the two most expensive players, I figure the
problem is not confined to just Carl Crawford.

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ETA: I e-mailed the file to you so that you could see what it did.

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#39 Post by Andy »

Ah, sorry. Gotcha.

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#40 Post by Todd Zola »

With the caveat that it will take a minute for the artificially sweetened drink laced with caffeine and taurine to kick in, I will examine and report back ASAP
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#41 Post by Todd Zola »

clean file will be posted by 10:30 AM ET

The batting average mistake was an Excel programming error

Napoli is just plain careless, sorry.

Well, actually the BA was careless too :)
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#42 Post by Todd Zola »

Wow, Toronto needs another stick in a big way.
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#43 Post by Todd Zola »

Should be okay now,
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#44 Post by aburt19 »

Todd Zola wrote:Should be okay now,
Sorry Todd. But the error in the BA column is still there.

When I brought it up, it still asked the question about authorizing links.

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Re: 2011 CVRC

#45 Post by Todd Zola »

I am going to d/l it from the site on another PC to see if I get the same issue

ETA -- Just d/l it fine on another PC and it did not ask me the question about links. Can you send me the latest download you are having issues with?
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#46 Post by aburt19 »

Sorry, either there are gremlins at work. I brought up the file just before the last entry I made and it asked both about
macros and links. It gave me the same information as before. I deleted it. When I saw your last entry, I downloaded it
again and it only asked about the macros and works fine.

Maybe I'm crazy and didn't see what I thought I saw. Sorry.

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#47 Post by Todd Zola »

This is above my pay grade and/or education level, but apparently there is sometimes a lag between when items are placed on the server and when they are "recognized". Maybe you logged in mid-lag.
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#48 Post by AllstonRockCity »

Todd Zola wrote:Wow, Toronto needs another stick in a big way.
C - JP Arencibia
1 - Lind
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Yeah, someone that can hit and play the field sure would help. It's tough to see all 4 of Lind/Rivera/Snider/EE staying injury free and hitting/fielding well enough to all play 160 games a piece.

The depth behind this lineup is scary. McDonald and McCoy, yikes!

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#49 Post by Todd Zola »

I don't want to live in a world where Corey Patterson is stlll fantasy relevant.
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#50 Post by aburt19 »

Dumb question: What does "recalibrating hitting and pitching CVRC" mean.

Thanks.

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#51 Post by Todd Zola »

HITTING -- The positional breakdown using STANDARD is calibrated to best account for the respective pools. I still recommend using CUSTOMIZE

PITCHING -- Actually, nothing was done. I checked the replacements and they were actually fine.
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Todd Zola wrote:HITTING -- The positional breakdown using STANDARD is calibrated to best account for the respective pools. I still recommend using CUSTOMIZE

PITCHING -- Actually, nothing was done. I checked the replacements and they were actually fine.
I have always used the two pool system of catchers and everyone else. Is there anything in the player pool that would
say I shouldn't do that?

Thanks.

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aburt19 wrote:
Todd Zola wrote:HITTING -- The positional breakdown using STANDARD is calibrated to best account for the respective pools. I still recommend using CUSTOMIZE

PITCHING -- Actually, nothing was done. I checked the replacements and they were actually fine.
I have always used the two pool system of catchers and everyone else. Is there anything in the player pool that would
say I shouldn't do that?

Thanks.
Nope -- that's what I do.
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#54 Post by Andy »

Any changes in the background of this release? Seems to be a few changes in the latest set when I run the CVRC - Espinosa gone from $10 to $0 would be one example.

The one thing I noticed when setting things up was that the pool size factor required for this league has jumped from 1.5 to 8.3?

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Andy wrote:Any changes in the background of this release? Seems to be a few changes in the latest set when I run the CVRC - Espinosa gone from $10 to $0 would be one example.

The one thing I noticed when setting things up was that the pool size factor required for this league has jumped from 1.5 to 8.3?
Are you using standard or customize? What are your league settings?
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Andy wrote:Any changes in the background of this release? Seems to be a few changes in the latest set when I run the CVRC - Espinosa gone from $10 to $0 would be one example.

The one thing I noticed when setting things up was that the pool size factor required for this league has jumped from 1.5 to 8.3?
I can best answer when you post the info from above, but I do know...

Espinosa's BB-rate was corrected early Feb so if this is an OBP league and you did not look at the late Feb update, that could so the trick

As mentioned on the download page, the "STANDARD" settings were calibrated to match the player pool for common leagues. I still HIGHLY recommend using CUSTOMIZE especially if your league is much different than a common one. That said, 8.3 is a bit high, I need to know the specifics.
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Todd Zola wrote:
Andy wrote:Any changes in the background of this release? Seems to be a few changes in the latest set when I run the CVRC - Espinosa gone from $10 to $0 would be one example.

The one thing I noticed when setting things up was that the pool size factor required for this league has jumped from 1.5 to 8.3?
I can best answer when you post the info from above, but I do know...

Espinosa's BB-rate was corrected early Feb so if this is an OBP league and you did not look at the late Feb update, that could so the trick

As mentioned on the download page, the "STANDARD" settings were calibrated to match the player pool for common leagues. I still HIGHLY recommend using CUSTOMIZE especially if your league is much different than a common one. That said, 8.3 is a bit high, I need to know the specifics.
It's an AVG league. Customised settings - standard league roster but with single catcher. So, 11 catchers, 11 firstbasemen...55 outfielders etc...

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Andy wrote:
Todd Zola wrote:
Andy wrote:Any changes in the background of this release? Seems to be a few changes in the latest set when I run the CVRC - Espinosa gone from $10 to $0 would be one example.

The one thing I noticed when setting things up was that the pool size factor required for this league has jumped from 1.5 to 8.3?
I can best answer when you post the info from above, but I do know...

Espinosa's BB-rate was corrected early Feb so if this is an OBP league and you did not look at the late Feb update, that could so the trick

As mentioned on the download page, the "STANDARD" settings were calibrated to match the player pool for common leagues. I still HIGHLY recommend using CUSTOMIZE especially if your league is much different than a common one. That said, 8.3 is a bit high, I need to know the specifics.
It's an AVG league. Customised settings - standard league roster but with single catcher. So, 11 catchers, 11 firstbasemen...55 outfielders etc...
Sorry, but to understand what is happening, I need details with respect to exactly what you are doing. The easiest way is to send me the CVRC, todd@mastersball.com
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Todd Zola wrote:Sorry, but to understand what is happening, I need details with respect to exactly what you are doing. The easiest way is to send me the CVRC, todd@mastersball.com
Done.

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Andy wrote:
Todd Zola wrote:Sorry, but to understand what is happening, I need details with respect to exactly what you are doing. The easiest way is to send me the CVRC, todd@mastersball.com
Done.
Back atcha
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Todd Zola wrote:
Andy wrote:
Todd Zola wrote:Sorry, but to understand what is happening, I need details with respect to exactly what you are doing. The easiest way is to send me the CVRC, todd@mastersball.com
Done.
Back atcha
Thanks Todd, much obliged.

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I'm not sure if this still holds true on the most recent CVRC but if you create two [or more] players with the exact same statistics but with different names, when the dollar values are run, there are multiple $ entries but they all have the same name.

Why would I do this?

I like to create an average player with projection set average stats. They are called Joe Catcher, Joe Middle, Joe Corner and Joe Outfielder [sometimes just Catcher & Outfielder]. I get curious about any scarcity impact - although I know it is essentially non-existent in the C/OF option.
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viper wrote:I'm not sure if this still holds true on the most recent CVRC but if you create two [or more] players with the exact same statistics but with different names, when the dollar values are run, there are multiple $ entries but they all have the same name.

Why would I do this?

I like to create an average player with projection set average stats. They are called Joe Catcher, Joe Middle, Joe Corner and Joe Outfielder [sometimes just Catcher & Outfielder]. I get curious about any scarcity impact - although I know it is essentially non-existent in the C/OF option.
It is true, it has to do with vlookup against the $value and sorting without running a macro. I have the same issue with some of the lower end players as some have the same exact stats.

What I do is add a really, really small number to the at bats. I'll start with something like adding .000000001 to the first batter's AB, .000000002 to the second batter, .000000003 to the 3rd, etc. The number is so small that the average is not impacted to a significant decimal place, but the computer can tell the difference.
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